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i'm chris wallace. today the former front-runner of the republican party, governor jeb bush, on regaining momentum after the summer of the outsider. let's talk about where you stand in this race. we'll go inside hi campaign in his home state of florida. >> como estan. >> and talk about these remarks. >> it isn't one of division and get in line and we'll take care of you with free stuff. >> jeb bush in his first sunday interview in four months.
it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then house speaker john boehner stuns congress, announcing his retirement. >> it's the retirement to do it, and frankly i'm entirely comfortable doing it. >> we'll talk to tom cole and mick mull vainie, who are sharply divided over boehner and whether to force a government shutdown. plus our sunday panel weighs in on the winners and losers in a new poll. and standing up to hurricane force winds, our player of the sunday." washington. it's been a remarkable week in politics. john boehner shocking washington with his surprise resignation the day after pope francis lectured congress about working together for the common good. we'll get to all of that in a few minutes, but first or exclusive interview with former florida governor jeb bush.
since launches his campaign, bush has gone from front-runner to the middle of the pack. now he seems to be regaining his momentum. we traveled to his mom base in florida to catch up with him. jeb bush took us to a park in the little havana section of miami, where people who fled cuba decades ago come to play their traditional game of domina. they greeted him like an old friend, discussing in their language. >> it's american -- the first generation comes, they sacrifice for their children, and their children end up becoming as american as anybody else. [ speaking foreign language ] then we went to a bush field office to discuss a campaign that has been much tougher for the former governor that many expected.
you made some comments that stirred up controversy how republicans should reach out to african-american americans. >> our message is of hope and aspiration, it isn't one of division, and get in line and stuff. >> people are comparing it to mitt romney, and the implication they are drawing is that you think all some people want it is a government handout. >> no, to the contrary we need to make our case to all voters that an aspirational message, fixes huge complex things will have people rise up. people don't want free stuff. that's my whole point. 6 more million people are in poverty than the day barack obama got voted.
for wince. this idea has failed. we spend a trillion on poverty programs, and that result is the percentage of people in poverty has remained the same. we should try something different, which is to give people the capacity to achieve earned success, fix or schools, fix our economy, lessen the crime rates in the big urban areas. i think people in poverty can be lifted up. why now, mr. speaker? >> john boehner is speaking down as speaker of the house. is that a good or bad thing? >> we'll see how it plays out. we had need a conservative president that can work with the congress. we wouldn't have these problems if a president would commit to passing a budget, would commit to, you know, repealing obamacare, reforming or taxes. >> respectfully, sir, what about boehner stepping down? >> i don't know. we'll see how it works out.
and service to the country with the pope speaking p congress. i think people will mitt him in the long run. he is a person focused on solving problems. let's talk about where you stand in this race. you're now running fourth nationally with almost 10%, down from july when you were leading with almost 18%. in new hampshire which most consider your strongest of the early primaries, you're now fifth, down from a lead of 17% in april. i know you say -- and i know you're going to say now it's a marathon, but why do you think you have fallen back? >> look, it is a mar athereon. we just started advertising. i'm confidence we get good response, we get a agreed ground game. hampshire. once people see my -- the proposals we put out in terms of taxes and regulation, energy proposal that's going to come out in a couple days. all these things give people a
sense that things can get better. i tell the jeb story, which is a story of accomplishment here in florida, where we cut taxes, reduce the size of government, reform the things that really were important for people in the state. we led the nation out of job growth in seven of eight years. all that story needs to be told as well. i was sitting right across from you in the fox debate. at donald trump was talking, i could see you sometimes shaking your head like i can't believe i'm losing to this guy. but recently, starting with the second debate, you've become more assertive more aggressive. my question is, do you think in some way trump is actually making all better candidate, because he's making you fight harder. >> campaigns are about getting better each and every day, whether it's donald trump or you or anybody else, candidates have to get better. that's what i intend to do. we're making great progress.
they don't filter out the people that aren't going to vote. i know it's an obsession, because it frames the debate for people that week, but i'm in it for the long haul. you've also evolved with your family. early on you talked a lot about yourself and distancing yourself. that seems to have evolved. >> i'm my own man. my views are shaped by my own thinking in my own experiences. >> i am a bush. i happened to two really good presidents develop relationship. why the change? >> it isn't a change to say i have my own record. most people say that it is the most conservative reform-minded record in the last generation of time. i've got to go tell that story. i'm proud of being george h.w. bush's son and certainly proud of my brother. i don't find it a contradiction at all.
and dad's tenures that i'm extraordinarily proud of. the problem today is we don't have a president today that believes that america's presence in the world is working. it's the failed promises of the obama/clinton/kerry strategy that is creating a dangerous world. 10, 25 and 28%, a cap on tax deductions, except for charity at 2% of gross income. lower the top corporate rate from 35 to 20%, almost double the standard deduction. briefly, what is the thinking? >> the thinking is we need to create high sustained growth to lift people out of the poverty and give people a pay raise. so reducing the corporate tax rate and fully expensing capital investment will create a renaissance of investment in our own country. economy.
that's what we need to be focused on. lowering rates for people to give them more money in their pockets is a great idea. look, we'll curb government spending, but the dynamic effect of higher growth will generate far more revenue than any of the most exotic tax plans. bernie sanders has proposed $19 trillion of new spending and it's september the year before hillary clinton has already proposed higher taxes, more spending and regulation. i think we need to move in a different direction, shift power away from washington, and cutting taxes has the dual benefit of shifting power back to our communities. there are two major criticisms of your tax plans so far. first of all the argument, and you gave your tax plain to four conservative economists who said it would increase the definite at this time over 1 to 3 trillion over the next ten years.
similar, big tax cuts, and he argued that the dynamic of that, the word you used, that the growth would end up paying for the revenue loss. that. economics? >> no, the dynamic effect of tax policy that creates economic growth narrows the deficit you're describing. first of all it's not the government's money. it's the people's money. but we're also going to have to fix the regulatory mission in washington, d.c., and have a commitment to reduce the growth of spending, which ultimately means we have to reserve and protect entitlements for those who have it and fix it over the long haul. >> whether it was ronald reagan's tax cuts or your brother's tack cuts, they added greatly to the deficit.
>> -- they created a dynamic effect of high growth. if people think 2% growth is okay, we'll have more people living in poverty and dispose at income will continue to decline. we have to give people more money to make decisions for themselves. the other complaint is the issue of who benefits? the tax foundation says the middle tax would sees 2.9%, but the top 1% would get a booth of 11.6%. an analysis of your tax returns the last six years, which you have released to the public, the last six years indicates that you would save under your tax plan $3 million. does jeb bush need a $3 million tax cut? >> the benefit goes compared --
>> because higher income people pay more taxes pride now. proportionally they'll play poor than what they pay today. >> forgive me 2.9 seems less than 11.6. >>? and so of course tax cuts for everybody is going to generate for more people who are paying more. that's just the way it is. >> in the time we have left. let's do a lightning round. you say the next president could defund planned parenthood. when you say the next president, does that mean you are against a conceivable government shutdown in order for force this president? >> i'm against a government shutdown. that's not how democracy works. >> how about the argument that, hey, this is what we need to do to -- >> it would be great. i defunded planned parenthood when i was governor. i think it's abhorrent that
abortions take place thus thinks clinics. but it will have no effect on funding for planned parenthood. that's the problem. washington is so dysfunctional that that's a victory. shut down the government, and then cost the taxpayers more. better to elect a conservative president that will pledge do to do it and work with congress. in your 2013 book on immigration, you say enforce the border first policy is in your words self-defeating, you need a path to legalization if you're going to get anything through congress. is that still your position? >> i think you can do both, but the first step is to prove that the border is secure. you can have a conversation about comprehensive reform while you're doing your job. this president committed to comprehensive reform and has done nothing and hasn't inform enforced the border to anybody's satisfaction. how about a headline for the energy policy?
>> i think we all to be all in on energy. we need to create a north american strategy, which means approve the xl pipeline, dramatically improve the licensing of lng plants, but it's more difficult to do. expand the possibilities of leasing on federal lands and waters, particularly where states have an interest in doing so. there's a lot we can do to create high growth for our economy, lower utility prices, and i'm totally in on this. i think the american people are as well. governor, thank you. >> thank you. conversation. >> you bet. down. we'll talk with two leading house republicans with sharply different views about john boehner, and how far to go in
what boehner's john boehner stunned washington friday, announcing he'll step down as speaker and leave congress in a month. the news raises questions about whether a government shutdown will now by avoided and where house republicans go from here. joining me now, two gop congressmen at the center of the debate. tom cole a member of boehner's leadership team, and mick mull
caucus, which has sharply critical of boehner. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> good to be here. down. >> it's become clear to me this prolonged leadership turmoil would do irreparable harm to the institution. >> congressman mull vainie, what was wrong with boehner as speaker, and did you force him out? >> what was wrong, we stopped being a coequal branch of government. i had a farmer come into my office a couple weeks ago and tell a story how he had to get down on his knees and beg a epa regulator. that's sad where a farmer has to come in and do that stuff. congress used to be able to fight against that. we used to use the power of the purse to help folks like that.
we the senate uses the filibuster anymore, and yeah, it had to change, it absolutely had to change. >> did you forhim out? >> i think the 72% of republican primaries voters probably forced him out more than anything? >> congressman cole, your response? >> first of all it's not true with the epa. so the power of the purse has been used, and there are restrictions as to what they can do. in terms of the larger question on the speaker, look, he's had to fight for four years with a democratic president, most of the time with a democratic senate, yet during that time he brought the deficit down, made almost all the bush tax cuts pep nent, in divided government, that's an extraordinary range of accomplishments. the sad things is we have a lot of republicans telling republican voters the problems
is barack obama and the democrats. if we focus on that, we can get something done. let me ask you to pick up and respond to that, if you will. the fact is no matter what you did in the house, first of all there was a democratic majority, and you do have barack obama as president. what realistically could he have done more? >> sure, we told people give us the senate and things would be gift, give us the house and things will be different. we're paying more attention about polls and who is getting blamed for a shutdown, or rules instead of helping people and doing what we promised we would do. we are fighting a war against an administration using 1994 tools when administrationed used to go through the legislative branch to enact their agenda. this administration goes around. they're going to go around on climb changes. unless we are able to pass
legislation out of the house and senate, we are no longer an effective check against the executive branch. so it is different. >> that's simply not the case. the reality is -- presidents do have authorities to makes agreements, but again if you look at things like making the bush tax cuts permanent, bringing down the deficit, having real entitlement reform, it's a pretty remarkable record of accomplishment. >> then why did he lose the confidence of mick mull vainie and dozens of other republicans? >> i think they have to answer that themselves. what i would argue is what have you done? the last time we followed they tactics, we lost. we didn't win. we certainly didn't repeal obamacare. top successful, go win some elections. >> jeb bush had it exactly right. you get a president -- we don't
proposed money to planned parenthoods. fpts appoint secretaries who give money to planned parenthood. >> the budget runs out on midnight on wednesday. the conventional wisdom in the way of boehner stepping down is you're going to pass a continuing resolution without defunding planned parenthood and kick the can down the road until september, but the government won't shut down and you won't stop planned parent had the. is that the way it's going to come down? >> i think that's been the plan from the very beginning. one of the reasons i think and tom and i have had this does discussion before, we fareed so poorly is bauer our leadership didn't believe it. we used to go to conference and they would tell us, remember, the message is that the senate shut down, not us. next week john is on television blaming his own republicans to do it. my guess is we will cut a deal with democrats, or at least some republicans will in order to
keep the government open next week. >> on planned parenthood, there's no money in the short term. 90% of their money comes from medicaid. the remained der is on grands. they're all done in about april. there's none lefts to do. so the idea that we're fighting other planned parenthood is a canard. with boehner on his way out, and frankly the mick mull vainies of the world don't have any control over him anymore, the argued is not only will he cut a deal to extend a cr, but he may also do some other things he's been constrained on, like raise the debt limit, like pass a highway bill. is he going to do some of that stuff? >> it depends on the nature of the deal, always. if you can do what paul lineman
it with tax reform, absolutely i would support that. xm bank, we just disagree. >> how would you feel if john boehner works with democrats to pass some of these things that the conservative hard-liners -- >> anything you want to get done in this period, as long as the president is a democrat, as long as the democrats have a filibuster control, everything will have to be a compromise. >> or you can do nothing. >> sun surrender congress? give us control of the senate and things will be different. >> no, we didn't -- >> make we heard it -- we have overpromised and underdelivered. that's why i think you see such disaffects among the basis, the -- >> we live in an era of divided government, and if you don't understand that, and you
don't -- >> congressman calls some presidential candidates celebrated boehner's resignation. >> yesterday john boehner was speaker of the house. y'all come to town and somehow that changes. >> congressman, what do you think of -- and he isn't the only one, republican presidential candidates campaigning against gop leaders, whether it's boehner or mcconnell? >> countless, tastily and counterproductive. this is a guy who for 25 years has a distinguished record in the house. >> you're talking about boehner. >> certainly not talking about senator cruz. and who real tax cuts, real entitlement reform in divided government. i would stack his record of
accomplishment against any of these people who are being critical. so it's pretty easy to defend john boehner. i think it's hard to defend remarks like we just heard. >> congressman? >> if you add up the five outsiders, trump, fiorina carson, paul and cruz, i think they're polling about -- >> do you defend the remarks? >> i don't defend -- >> that was the question. this was never about -- >> this was never about personalities. it's not just ted cruz. carly fiorina said if we didn't have a team that could defund planned parenthood, we should get a new -- >> you -- i think wrongly so. let's get to the next issue. the question now is who will
replace john boehner? syrup quoted as it would be a quick vote next thursday and we're going to move along on this, but now some how republicans are saying, no, no, let's slow down have a meeting of the caucus. first of all, timing, and how likely is it the number two mac, kevin mccarthy, will move up? >> let mess answer them in reverse. there's no question that kevin will become speaker of the house and he should. and secondly, to me quicker is better. it's not all if we don't know all the players or the issues. i don't think there's a lot to be gained by dragging it out. >> congressman mull vainie, will mccarthy be the speaker? and is there going to be a change? how many of your members of the harder line conservatives do you think that some will take the top position?
>> i think it's fair to say that kevin has the inside track of having the position. the question is, will things change? there they change for the better? so the question i think becomes more one of style -- substance than of style. i think kevin is more ground up than top down type of leader. >> congressman mull vainie, congressman cole, thank you for coming in, and we'll stay on top of this leadership fight. >> thank you. up next or sunday group to discuss what the shake-up means for the gop, plus what would you like to ask the panel about boehner's resignation and whether folks should defund planned parenthood. just go to facebook or twitter @foxnewss daughter: do you and mom still years now. thinking about what you want to do with your money? daughter: looking at options.
washington as it's answered. time to bring in our sunday group. syndicated columnist george will, anne gearen, and michael needham, and juan williams. michael, you and your group have been bashing boehner, so let me get to the question. why do you think you're birr off? >> sure. a year ago an aide was saying if you give john bain ir225 republicans, we'll -- nancy pelosi does not talk about her base that way. barack obama doesn't think about his base that way. and that's the type of leadership we had over the last couple years. the reason that tom cole can paint that picture of the accomplishments was for the last five years conservatives have fought tooth and nail to top his
on his agenda. amnesty, which is not what the conservative base wants. we want a leadership that shows conservative values, how they can make life better for the americans, and sending it to the president's desk, so we can have conflict and conversation. we've had to fight our own speaker. that has ended. >> george, is boehner the problem? there the next speaker be able to do any more, given you have barack obama in the oval office? >> we're going to find out. if big changes occur back boehner is gone, this will be a huge event. it will be an even bigger event if it turns out not much changes. given the analogy a major league baseball team, they can hit, pitch or field the ball. in the middle of the season, they fire the manager. the next game, the next day, new manager walks to deliver the
lineup, the same guys that can't catch, pitch or field. the question is, is this going to make a difference? i think what we're going to learn that it's not the person, it's the plan. conservatives have to ask would they rather have jeb hencer ling managing the flow of the house or would they rather have him chairing the financial services committee? the same is true with paul ryan, who has taken himself out of this because he's head of ways & means. peter is right about one thing, deep breath, calm down, and let's see if by making stylistic changes, that is, how you explain and defend what you're doing, you can make the most of the very little running room you've got, but basically i think it's a big event because it's not a big event. >> is this about stylistic changes? >> so far this year the president has vetoed two pieces of legislation.
so far the businessering fight was between conservatives and their leadership. that's not what we need. george is right. this may take more lineup changes. a year and a half, was john boehner and eric cantor, six weeks from now neither will be in congress. if we need more lineup changes to put forth the messages -- >> i was talking to a top republican staffer yesterday. he said, look, he's the problem now. the republicans are split, they own a government shutdown if it happens. we used to have a weak hand, now we have no hand at all. the democrats can say, you don't rant to raise the debt limit? final, you own it. >> it is accepted that barack obama, because he says i will not defund planned parenthood, that there is no chance he will blink off convictions. when a coequal branch of government says there is not 60 votes after the barbaric things
we have seen and heard them say and do. when you have one party that does not hold conviction or is willing to move off them every time and executive branch that doesn't, the republicans -- if if you can't win the argument, an organization that has so violated the public trust, they jokes about buying lamborghinis with baby body parts and you can't win that argument, what argument can you win? >> we asked you for what -- and we got this from twitter from brian maxwell. he gives this advice -- grow a spine, stand their ground and make obama and the democrats shut the government down. you've got to say i hear this a lot from conservatives. why do republicans always get the blame when the government gets shut down. obviously both sides play a role in it? >> well, it's an interesting question.
think you're blaming all republicans, i would when you look at the polls, you know, it's about i think 85% ofself-identify as tea party members saying they want no compromise, they want more of stand up, and if you attach the name "obama" to any idea, then more republicans will say we have to phyto'bama, but in general, this lack of compromise is something you see from republicans. you don't see from democrats we're going to fight other climate change or immigration or minimum wage. >> bur they're fighting over planned parenthood. >> i'm saying you haven't seen it in the past over the issues. that's not typical democratic behavior. it has 2013 shutdown, immigration reform, constant threat of shutdown by republicans. >> tell the viewers why it's not a perfectly acceptable
cut no money out of women's health, take finds -- >> i don't agree, michael. >> why is moving money away from planned parenthood which jokes about buying lamborghiniis, and moves it to separate federally funded women's health center. >> first of all, i think this is like a threat to the entire governance of america over this one issue. >> moving money from one organization to -- >> no, secondly in terms of women's health, there simply isn't a structure that would deliver women's health care to low-income people the way planned parenthood does. >> i guess it's so interesting to watch this fight going on, because at a time when hillary clinton couldn't be in more trouble and is besieged on the issue of e-mails, how relieved are they that the republicans are in a circular firing squad? >> well, clearly for hillary clinton campaign any
talking about e-mail and benghazi is a good minute for her, but the question is, how will they be able to capitalize on it, if at all? who the speak of the how is not particularly material to her or really i think to the current state of the 2016 debate. >> did you certainly can capitalize on the issue of defunding planned parenthood. >> absolutely. that is the main thing they were doing during the last republican debate, the democratic led by hillary sort of rapid response was all about every single time the planned parenthood issue came up, that's the thing they were highlighting. that's something the hillary clinton campaign seeing as a base motivator for them, much on the on the opposite end. they see nothing but good in highlighting what republicans are saying about it. >> it brings up the question,
bush in the first segment saying instead of focusing on this, why not do everything you can to elect a conservative pro-life president? 2016? >> we should. >> don't you think that some of the things being done are hurting that effort? >> no, i think people have to be confident to go out and work the polls and walk previcinities, show up and vote. we have seen a republican president. and control of the house in to 05. i don't remember planned parenthood being defunded. the nothing that if we have a senate and house, all of a sudden we're going to get stuff done, the republican consequence when, the republican consequence wouldn't even schedule a vote. so conservative want to see not -- they actually want to see congress do the right things and say we're going to shift funds from one women's health
or quitter hillary clinton is the big loser and dr. ben carson is the big winner in the latest fox news poll. the democratic front-runner's favorable rating hits a new low of 38%, that's down seven points from may. from 56% of voters say they have an unfavorable pin of clinton meanwhile, dr. carson has the best net favorable rating. some 46% say they have a positive view of carson, up 20 points since may. when it comes to republican voters, carson is way ahead of the pack. favorable over unfavorable, a plus 52. marco rubio is plus 35, donald trump is plus 12, and jeb
reps view him as positively as negatively. with that, time to bring back our panel. if you believe as i think it is reasonable to believe. that the trump phenomenon has passed its apongee he wants to sue makers of t-shirts that are rude to him. it just doesn't radiate strength any longer. i think the net favorable/unfavorable is important, because there is only four with significant net favorable, two of them carson and fiorina, are probably not going to be nominated. the other are rubio and cruz, and we could see the shape of the race to come. >> let me just say the battle between george will and donald trump continues. donald trump also spokes to the values voters summit this week where he took off after senator
let's look at what happened. >> you have this clown marco rubio, i've been so nice to him. i've been so nice. [ booing ] >> yeah, they booed him. mike ago, do you agree with brother will that trump campaign has passed its apogy? >> what you had a month ago, 52% of -- trump, carly, carson and ted cruz, it's not up to 62% in the latest fox news poll. the basic contours of the race continues. and i think one thing that may help ted cruz is actually that the freedom caucus were able to take down john boehner. it shows there are people in washington, d.c. who can fight, there are people shows that outsider impulse. i think that's going to in the end help ted cruz.
>> no, i don't have a candidate. we need somebody who will look the party in the eye that is in the pocket of big business and say it's time for us to fight for conservative voters. then there's hillary clinton who i think it's fair to say had another bad week especially with news that the fbi has apparently recovered some of the so-called private e-mails that she said she had deleted from the private server. despire her claims there were reports that the state department didn't know she had a private server. she was asked about that after a meeting at "the des moines register." >> all i know is what i have said and what i have said is it was allowed. the state department has confirmed that. >> and she just can't seem to shake this, can she? >> no, and it is really going to stick with her for the entire campaign in one form or another, certainly through the end of this year there's the monthly e-mail dump.
we'll have another one of those on wednesday. and just as a -- as an issue, it has attached itself to her. no matter how many times she says what i did was allowed, what a lot of people are hearing, and i think your poll bears this out to some degree is people are like, what? it really doesn't get a lot more depth to it than that and the perceptions of a lot of americans. >> and there keep turns out these e-mails, like she didn't start the private e-mail until march of 2009, now there's a bunch of conversations she was having in january with david petraeus, so it just family like it never ends and she hasn't told the full story. >> every time there's one of these tiny moves of the needle, and some small new thing comes out again there's a perception, wait a minute, why haven't they
ripped off the band-aid and told us everything there is to tell. i honestly don't know how much there is to tell or what the particular e-mails weren't discovered earlier. >> how much concern about the fact -- that may be a little shift, about you when you find out that the fbi has recovered 30,000 -- or some of the 30,000 private e-mails, that opens up a real possibility of a can of worms are worms. >> absolutely. that is a real area of potentially risk for her. presumably some of those e-mails go to the many other kinds of things that hillary clinton is and was and did. she was a named party of a family foundation that did work around the world. she was a former and probably future political candidate. she was a longtime connected democrat with friends across the party and back -- going back decades with whom she communicated as anyone might,
but the fact she was doing it all mixed up was now a potential area of further scrutiny. >> with all due respect to donald trump and hillary clinton, i don't think there's any question that the most memorable moment of the week here in washington certainly was when pope francis walked down the main aisle of the house in his white robe. i love this picture looking down on him there. to urge congress to work together for the common good. his message could not have been more simple. >> do unto others as you will have them do unto you. >> the golden rule, juan, everybody applauded both sides of the aisle. is there any chance this could somehow lessen the -- break the fever in washington. >> you are such an optimist, chris. politicians will use religion and the pope as wedge issues
when it's helpful to them, they dismiss it when it's not helpful. in general what we saw here, i think is the golden rule. let's work together, have some commonity, unity, let's get something done for the people of the united states, and what you saw in terms of response from many of the democrats was, you know what? typically we distance ourselves from the pope on abortion issues, gay rights, but we feel more welcoming. on the republican side it was the other respond, which was, you know what? i think it was jeb bush on climate change, the pope is wonderful, but he's not a scientist. on immigration, you can see that the republican base is just out of the sync with what the hope has to say. we've had one catholic president, one catholic vice president, biden, and i'm astounded that we have as a nation so embraced this pope on this visit. it's not been the historical
>> george, what struck you about the pope's visit? >> well, the fact that he was bold in intervening in what he knows is a very divisive issue in this country. i think he's right, but i think it's problematic of any faith leader to intervene as forth rightly in an american debate. the effect of this i think will be approximately zero. >> the pope's message was fantastic and i think there are deep differences between the two parties how we best serve, and that's not something we should by ashamed of. there are philosophical differences between the parties. thank you, panel. see you next sunday.
it's one of those places around washington folks here have never heard of, but it turns out it's been doing fascinating work for more than half a century. here's our "power player of the week." in the 21st century, why do we need wind tunnels? can't you do all this on computer models? >> short answer is no. since 1949 they have tested everything from plane models to
cars to roofing in high winds. that will tell you how official or inefficient it is? >> or whether it will survive. >> the week we were there, they watched how safety signs for offshore oil riggs would stand up for one hour for up to 100-mile-per-hour winds. >> what you can find out is if that particular product will survive. >> barlow took us inside the wind tunnels. >> there's a 2,000 horse power motor here that drives this guy. it's about 25 feet in diameter. we can generate -- >> then to the test area of the tunnel. >> this is where any model we test would get mounted in here. >> what are you able to measure on the model? >> we are able to measure lift, drag, side force and the moments that tend to roll it or pitch it or yaw it. >> we wanted to get a field to a
wind test. student isaac roberts agreed to participate. >> all right. andrew, give us 50 miles an hour, tropical storm conditions. >> he can handle that pretty easily. >> but it got tougher at 80 miles an hour, a category 1 hurricane. >> yeah, at 80 miles per hour, nobody can stand straight up without the tether. >> let's got to 100. a category 2 hurricane speed. >> wow. >> i can say he's bolder than most people we have seen. >> then they cranked up the fan. >> 115 miles per hour, category 3. >> we're talking serious hurricane. >> this is a serious hurricane. >> but hurricanes are just part of what they simulate. they test car model to make them
more fuel official. they even brought in the 2002 bopsled team. >> we could measure the effect of the different tuck position. >> barlow has been the director of the tunnel since 19 -- >> the discovery of new ways to understand airflow is still very fascinating to me. maybe we're slow learners, but we're still learning. >> that's the challenge of it? >> that's the challenge. >> over the years they've tested everything from nascar models to the keel on a yacht that won the america's cup. dr. barlow says the schedule to packed. that's it for today. have a great week.